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Posted by: steven c simpson ®

11/11/2002, 16:48:43

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I would like to communicate with other people that have had the surgery. If you know anyone please have them contact me directly at: stevesopks@kc.rr.com

I had the SLAD surgery 10/2000 and I have been horse and whispering ever since. Dr. Burke said it was a bad case of acid reflux and my voice would return when I got the reflux under control. I have been taking "Nexium" for reflux and watching my diet but my voice has not gotten better. I have no more spasoms but can't talk above a whisper. The doctors then said I had a gap between my vocal cords that needed to be closed. My local ENT injected both cords collagen to puff them up thus closing the gap. It didn't work and left me sore, inflamed and swollen. My voice is worse and it hurts after I speek for any length of time. I went back to Dr. Berke and he said I was too swollen to do anything but inject me with Pretizone to reduce the swelling and inflamation. Anyone with anything similar?



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Posted by: john s. beeman ®

11/11/2002, 19:13:31

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Hi Steve. Like myself and Jeff Brode, you did not have a good outcome from the surgery. I suspect there may be others, but no one wants to hear the bad news. Like you, I was told I had acid reflux and I took medications for months - but it did not help. It has been 2 years and 5 months and I have never recovered a decent voice. John






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Posted by: Jeff Brode ®

11/12/2002, 11:28:41

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Hi Steve,

I had the same surgery in June 2000. It's all I can do to whisper. Both vocal cords are totally paralyzed. They are as far apart as east is from west. Implants to push them together (NOT done by Dr. Berke) didn't do anything except to cause further problems with breathing. I, too, have been diagnosed with GERD since the time of the surgery and have tried Prilosec with absolutely no effect (except to lighten the load in my wallet each month). Sorry to hear about your outcome. Take care.



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Posted by: Jan Joiner ®

11/12/2002, 11:44:49

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Hi Steven,

I'm Jan from Alabama. I had Dr. Berke's SLAD Surgery on June 12th, 2001. I regained my voice after a recovery period of 3 months and 2 weeks. The volume came little by little each day!

I am one of the more fortunate ones and a Woman. I feel very blessed and fortunate to have had such success with my surgery and my new voice. I am still talking great and hope and pray my good voice will continue, however none of us know the long term effects of this surgery even though I understand some folks who have had this surgery are now as far recovered as 7 years or more and the surgery is still a success for some. I don't understand the mystery of this operation not working well for men, except I've heard that men have larger Laryngites and for some reason this effects the success for men. My heart goes out to all of you who the surgery has not been a success for yet. I sure hope they will soon discover a way to better help the men affected by SD. I have a lot of faith in Dr. Berke and Dr. Blumin and I believe if anyone can find the answer to this problem they Can & Will. However, we all must be brave and let others know about any experience or outcome we have regarding any type treatments and or surgeries concerning Spasmodic Dysphonia. So I commend you and John and others who are dedicated to openly sharing your experiences. My prayer for all this SD is that One day soon there would be a cure for this dreadful disorder and frustrating voice condition.

I also wanted to let you know I have severe acid reflux and have taken medication for years to control this problem and it remains a problem. I also try to stay away from spicy foods, watch what I eat, have the head of my bed up on two concrete blocks and sleep on two pillows to keep the acid from coming into my throat. I take Nexium 40mg now and it seems to be right for me. I use to take Preversid 30 mg twice a day or Prilosec 20 mg. All of which help, but the Nexium seems to work better for me with the fact that I watch what I eat and am very cautious of what I eat 3 or 4 hours prior to bedtime.

I hope this helps and if I can be of further assistance to you or anyone, please do not hesitate to contact me personally via email.

God Bless, Jan Joiner - Alabama/Severe ADSD/SLAD Surgery 6/01







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Posted by: Sarah Hill ®

11/12/2002, 16:31:06

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I also had the surgery in October 2000 and my voice has remained breathy. I went to see Dr. Blumin in Philadelphia in August and he has suggested some things to consider, beginning with speech therapy. I just started last week and will see what happens. Perhaps I'm the only woman with the breathiness, but then again, I haven't been on the bb for a long time, so perhaps others have posted. However, I would like to emphasize that my voice is breathy, which is stronger than a whisper, so I'm lucky in that regard I guess.

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Posted by: john s. beeman ®

11/13/2002, 07:54:03

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Sarah -

When I first realized my recovery was not going to fall along the lines predicted by Dr. Berke/Blumin, I communicated with several patients via this BBS who had the SLAD surgery, but did not have a good recovery. Including myself, there were 6 patients. One was a woman. I have not heard from her for some time so I do not know whether she made improvement or not. To some extent, I don't think that people with unsatisfactory outcomes "report" as much as those who are successful. I think this is quite natural. John






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Posted by: Steven C Simpson ®

11/12/2002, 22:38:55

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Thank you all for responding. Did anyone have the loss of feeling in thier throat above and below the incision about an inch?






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Posted by: john s. beeman ®

11/13/2002, 12:38:23

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Steve - I can certainly feel my scar. I can feel the pulling of the skin on my neck when I swallow. I cannot say I've had a loss of feeling, however - above or below the scar. John






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Posted by: Lib Haywood ®

11/13/2002, 15:39:21

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Steven, I had surgery in Jan. 2001. I am well pleased with my voice and wish that find a solution to why the men do not have the same success. I did have a numbness for a while around the incision but it is fine now. I do know a man in the Atlanta area who had the surgery before I did. He said it saved his life and his career.






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Posted by: john s. beeman ®

11/13/2002, 17:48:15

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Lib - on the other hand, the failure of this operation can have "career ending" results as well. It is a risk that should be clearly disclosed, don't you think? Maybe you were told that you might not get your voice back - I was not. John






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Posted by: David Fuller ®

11/13/2002, 18:39:52

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I almost feel guilty after reading all the negative replys--I am a male living in Southern Ca. and had the surgery on April 10, 2001 at UCLA after 5 years of trying everything--Botox, Biofeedback, MRI's, Cat scans, speach therapy, steriods, antibiodics, even 7 sesions with Dr. Cooper-nothing worked until meeting Dr.'s Berke and Blumin, scheduling and having the surgery. I immediatly lost the spasims and had a voice I could use with confidence within a month--today I give speeches, lectures, sales presentations and talk on the phone at least 3 hours a day. Best of all I can read to my grandkids, order a hamberger at a drive-in window and go through my days with a voice I have no fear in using. I can only pray that other males that elect to have this procedure have the same results I have had--it saved my career, social life and possibly my life.






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Posted by: john s. beeman ®

11/14/2002, 08:30:45

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David -

I am glad for your wonderful result. Please, it is not my intention that you - or anyone else who has had a good result - should feel the least bit guilty. Clearly this surgery has had wonderful results for many people. But there are also some for whom it has not had a good result. People just need to know this so they can make educated choices. When I had my surgery in June of 2000, I had no idea that my outcome could even possibly "be" an outcome. I think a "result" like mine should be disclosed. Then the patient can make an informed choice. I am very happy for you. John







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Posted by: Jeff Brode ®

11/14/2002, 12:59:18

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Ditto what John just posted. Jeff






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Posted by: Shirley A. Prather ®

11/20/2002, 11:53:20

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Hi John,

Did you sue the doctor who did the surgery on your vocal chords?

Shirley







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Posted by: john s. beeman ®

11/25/2002, 10:58:27

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nope - I must add that I am puzzled about why the 3 men (that I know of) - all had their surgeries in the same timeframe, and all had bad outcomes. It strikes me as unusual. John

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Posted by: Lynne Martinez ®

11/26/2002, 16:28:35

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Hi John,

Regarding the mid-2000 timeframe? Doesn't seem that unusual to me, considering what was going on at the time and what we've all learned since.

Remember there was daily publicity/testimonials from patients on this BB("SLAD Week-Reports") from about June, 1999 until into 2001? Those reports generated a high-demand to get the surgery and alot of people, both male and female, had it during that time-frame. More females, as more females have SD. Patients were documenting (on the BB) very satisfactory results (some called it a *miracle*) and people who were tired of Botox or their bad voices were literally going to UCLA in droves then because it seemed like THE "cure."

I remember two males who had the SLAD during that timeframe who posted successful results on the BB and we've never heard from them since. Probably because it worked well for them and they didn't post much anyway. I bet if it wasn't working, they would be back here.

My memory, during that timeframe also, is that you were posting the *Top Ten Hints* for having the surgery done at UCLA, as soon as you returned home from UCLA. Your advice was very helpful and alot of SLAD patients appreciated the hints for staying at the Tiverton and swallowing-tips and all the things that helped a SLAD patient. That became support for subsequent SLAD patients and they added to your tips.

As we got well into 2001, it became evident that the surgery wasn't working for you and Jeff (as you two had posted regularly and openly with "progress" or lack thereof) so people started to become a bit more skeptical, because they were now seeing the risks more clearly. Into 2001, the SLAD didn't look so much like a "cure" but a "choice, with risks."

So, it might not be just that narrow timeframe but possibly other considerations, such as what was going on with the BB (and the deluge of SLAD patients at UCLA) at that time and the fact that you and Jeff have always been very open about your results. You two are very good writers but I imagine there are others out there who may have had the SLAD in a different timeframe but they don't feel like posting, either about success or failure because they're not writers.

Both Dr. Berke in Arizona and Dr. Blumin in Miami acknowledged that the male laryngeal anatomy (muscles and cartilege) is more difficult to work with than the female structure. There are distinct physical differences. Females don't have an Adam's apple, per se, and the male laryngeal muscles are larger. The surgery is only 9 years old so they learn from each case (as any doc should); and, with males being in an SD minority, they have fewer male patients to learn from.

Also, as a laryngeal surgical patient myself (RLN), I've learned something since my voice began to fail recently - 6 years after surgery. It's been an eye-opener. I've learned that, as a woman, because I don't have vocal spasms, people still tell me I sound OK although I'm gasping for breath and getting headaches trying to talk and I sound terrible compared to before. People seem to forget that I used to have a professional career and that I can't even talk over running water these days. Everything's relative.

I've learned that my expectations for my own voice (such as in my former career when I used to make presentations in front of large crowds, run multi-million dollar projects and talk 7 hrs a day) are way higher than those of the people around me. Seems, being a woman, some people don't expect much of me. If I can manage enough noise to make two phone calls in a day, the implication is that I can talk. Wrong. It's annoying sometimes when people say..."you sound OK" because all that means is that I don't have spasms and they can hear me for two sentences. Doesn't solve my problem though, of not being able to work or talk over any noise or vocalize while gasping for air, etc.

Seems expectations are different for men. So, besides the differences in laryngeal anatomy, I think patient expectations (and those of family/friends/co-workers, the public, etc.) coming out of surgery might be that a male patient be able to return to more of a "normal" (original) voice to resume a career. With women having softer voices (usually) to begin with, it's different. I lost my career twice, so am becoming quite philosophical about some of these issues and differences. Just my personal theories.

I always enjoy your perspective on the BB and respect both you and Jeff because of your openness, constancy and willingness to move on. As you know, we could all be bitter but that doesn't help any of us with the next 50 years! LOL. I don't think the docs did anything wrong in my case. Even though my voice is currently non-functional (with little hope for improvement according to my experienced docs and my own research and intuition), it was better for a few years and I managed to go back to work for a short time. It's the SD I blame but I still have to deal with it. Just doing the best I can.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--Lynne

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Posted by: john s. beeman ®

11/26/2002, 20:33:48

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but now there are three (3) with poor/bad outcomes . . . all of whom had their surgeries in the summer of 2000. It just seems statistically odd to me. And, as I've said before, I think there are others who have not been particularly forthcoming, but who have not experienced a good recovery.

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