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Posted by: Todd ®

09/25/2002, 09:17:43

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Ok - so lets assume we are talking about theoretical usage that one may have heard of, or that we are talking about the testing of cannabis for SD in a country such as Holland where it would be legal to do such. We are certainly not talking about or advocating illegal activity. Ok, having said that . . .

Has anybody HEARD of anybody with SD using cannabis and noticing any positive or negative results? If you search on the subject on the web there is apparently a lot of evidence that with various spastic disorders that cannabis or cannabis-based medicines provide benefit. In one study the two researchers (M.D.'s) saying "Observations of these patients before and after inhalation of the drug suggested to us that the improvement in spasticity was a specific effect of some component of the cannaboids and not mearly a result of the well-recognized euphoric or pleasureable effects experienced by recreational users of the drug".

I don't know. But I'd be willing to try if I heard more about it (of course I would be flying to Holland to do so legally). :)



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Posted by: Ida Neary ®

09/25/2002, 10:17:09

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It might not help, but you might not care!! ;o)






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Posted by: Sherry A. Kjellberg ®

09/25/2002, 11:13:20

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Hi Todd,

You actually posted a question that has been on my mind. With nine states voting for legal medical marijuana, (despite federal laws in a clash over it), I have also wondered if canniboid research is being done anywhere and if it helps calm down spasms? I believe I have read that it has been researched to show muscle relaxation. I don't know if it is possible to make pills, but the smoke could irritate the vocal chords, which would not be good. Interesting food for thought, though. And if legal, I could imagine that lots of S.D. folks would be less worried about their voices and more relaxed. :-)

My doctor asked me if drinking a glass of wine or two helped my S.D. Actually, it probably does, in that it relaxes me. So, here's another question: what about alcohol (moderate) use/research in helping S.D. patients? Anyone know about that? Of course, I wouldn't recommend anyone becoming alcoholic to mask dealing with S.D.....!!!

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Posted by: Todd ®

09/25/2002, 11:25:56

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Actually back in my younger days, I was finding that cannabis actually made me socially more awkward and paranoid. So I suspect that anybody who suggests that somehow you "just wouldn't care" maybe hasn't tried it? Or maybe had a quite different metabolism than I.

Alcohol and other sedative/deliriant type of drugs I HAVE tried since getting SD (Xanax, Valium . . . etc - legally perscribed). May get me into a relaxed state where I'm less likely to have stress making the SD worse. But they do not offer any improvement above and beyond what I can get without being under the influence of anything, but relaxed. Such experimentation was my first clue in fact that SD was was affected by psychology, like all illness, but not CAUSED by it or curable by it.







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Posted by: Sherry A. Kjellberg ®

09/25/2002, 20:58:00

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Yes, I know exactly what you mean, Todd. We all know that stress plays a big part in making the voice worse, etc. I'm an "airbag" victim, sitting too close to the steering wheel in a car crash, so my S.D. started with trauma. Also, whiplash that turned into C5-6 degeneration and neck/shoulder dystonia. My neurologist who does Botox for the large muscles every four months, has me on Clonopin, .5x 4 day. I used to be on Neurontin,too, and didn't tolerate the dizziness from that. I've done fine on the Clonopin and it is supposed to be anti-seizure and also has some ani-anxiety effect. It's helped my S.D. quite a lot. My neuro-laryngologist who does the laryngeal botox once mentioned that the Clonopin might also help prolong the effect of Botox. Lots of people don't tolerate Clonopin well, but I've had no side effects.

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Posted by: Ida Neary ®

09/26/2002, 08:18:37

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If cannabis made everyone feel socially more awkward and paranoid I doubt it would be so popular. I found it to be fun and relaxing. I can't really say if it helped the spasms, wasn't in a place of great deep thinking and research at the time, I guess.

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Posted by: Todd ®

09/26/2002, 21:21:00

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Oh - it didn't make me feel bad in anyway for many years of use, execept the very occasional "authority" paranoia kind of thing. I certainly would not have smoked as much as I did for as long as I did if it had not been rewarding in most ways!

No, mostly I think - scratch that -- *know* that it can bring out paranoia if there is any underlying tension already there, because it tends to enhance feelings and thoughts rather than deaden them like some other drugs such as alcohol do. So if you are already very paranoid about your voice, I could see the stress possibly getting worse. But its pretty individual.

Anyways, haven't tried it in the last couple of years since my SD surfaced - might have to again (and of course moderators . . . I'm talking about trying it again by flying over to a more socially enlightened country like Holland where it is legal!)

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Posted by: Francie Hornstein ®

09/27/2002, 02:08:11

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I still smoke pot (an old holdover from my hipppie days) and haven't found any significant impact on my SD. Some people report that various legal drugs help their SD, but usually not consistently or for a long period of time. My mother who also has SD once had what appeared to be a temporary spontaneous recovery for a day or so after she had a general anesthetic for major surgery. Something in the medications/anesthesia she was given relaxed her vocal cords, but it didn't last. By the way, marijuana is available in a pill--its called marinol and it was used as an antinausia drug for chemotherapy patients.






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Posted by: Todd ®

09/27/2002, 10:46:10

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Was that Marinol pill just THC? I know many studies have just concentrated on the THC but there is evidence that there might be other substances in Marijuana that are also part of its recreational and medicinal effects.






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Posted by: Larry Becnel ®

09/27/2002, 15:12:11

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Haven't tried any illegal drugs and don't intend to. I can say, though, that cool alcohol that is not too potent, such as chilled white wine, is soothing for me and does seem to make my voice "smooth out." On the other hand, "harsh" alcohol has no beneficial--but maybe detrimental--effects. Thus, room temp red wine (we're not talking the temp of a French chateau's cellar)is not helpful, and gin, vodka, etc. are not good. I gave up martinis even before my SD diagnosis (and miss them!). Unfortunately, as has been noted on this board by others, I can't carry an ice chest with a bottle of Vouvray wherever I go, especially in the courtroom (judges are so uptight about that sort of thing). But a couple of glasses of wine in the evening--as Martha might say: It's a good thing.

Larry

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Posted by: Todd ®

09/27/2002, 20:16:18

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>>I can't carry an ice chest with a bottle of Vouvray wherever I go<<

Yep too bad, and again -- "Gosh darn those *illegal* drugs. :)

I tried a great deal of the illegal drugs in my younger days, but it was only the LEGAL ones that actually caused any health or addiction problem for me. Hmmmm. Hey, does 'illegal' = immoral? But if you cross national boundries to a place where its not illegal is it suddenly morally ok then? Or is that whole 'stinking' country then immoral because its legal?

Sorry, but the judgementalism in the "and I don't intend to" takes me wrong. Even though my partying days are well back in my youth, I still recognize the common sense fact that that the worst I ever saw marijuana do to somebody was get them arrested, but I've seen alcohol kill in numerous ways.

And the questions concerning that awful, horrible illegal drug marijuana here - are aimed specifically concerning medicinal usage of it - which is very well studied and documented for various disorders.

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Posted by: Larry Becnel ®

09/28/2002, 09:01:05

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Well, Todd, I'm not judging you, but the fact is that the law in most places has empowered real judges to pass judgment on those who break the law--and breaking the law could include, as you intimated, driving while intoxicated. I really have no thoughts about the "morality" of marijuana use. I do know people who smoke pot, and I certainly don't think of them as "immoral" or "bad," but neither do I have any interest in joining them. And although I hadn't really thought about it until now, I doubt that I'd be interested in "smoking pot" even if it were legal. (For one thing, I really dislike the smell of it.) But that's just me--and who knows what I'd do if everyone on this bulletin board suddenly said pot cured their SD! You've raised some good points, and maybe others out there have more to share than I do. I was just offering my thoughts. Take care.

Larry






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Posted by: Todd ®

09/28/2002, 10:25:44

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Yeah - I'm touchy about it because I lived overseas in Europe for three years and pot was legal, and for that matter there was no drinking age limit and YET there was less problems with substance abuse, drunk driving, rape, violent crime . . . etc. So I think the problems we associate with illegal drugs here are not the result of the drugs themselves as much as some other American societal problem. Not that this isn't a great country, but we are pretty hypocritical in this regard.

But it sounds like you simply don't break the law. Which is admirable, but of course tricky. In just Lousiana (where your profiles says you are from): gargling is public is illegal, biting somebody (even lightly and as a joke or play) is legally assult, and -- ANY oral sex is illegal. Plus there are regular speed limit laws and such. I assume you never break any of those laws either? :)

Heck, in New Orleans all fire trucks - even running 'under code' in an emergency are required by law to stop at all red lights.

And if we look deeply enough I'll bet you'll find tons more even minute laws that nearly every violates everyday without even knowing about it. Better stay home inside and do nothing! (Of course, that might very well break a law in many places!)

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