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Posted by: Renee Urban ® 11/20/2002, 11:32:05 Author Profile Mail author |
Has anybody else had any problems with the new voice activated information services you sometimes get when you need to get information on when a movie starts, for example? I was trying to see a movie last weekend and they no longer post the starting times in the paper. You have to call this dial in number and there's a voice activated answering service with all the information. With my breathy myobloc voice I couldn't get the damn thing to work!!! I finally had to call a friend of mine and have him call up the voice mail for me. What a pain! Has anyone else had problems with one of these?
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Posted by: john s. beeman ® 11/20/2002, 11:37:22 Author Profile Mail author |
I "hear you" (no pun intended). Just when voice activated almost-everyhthing comes to the market, there I am without a voice. . . Such bad luck. John |
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Posted by: Kim ® 11/20/2002, 13:38:13 Author Profile Mail author |
I just avoid all of this sort of cr*p because I deal with text so much better to begin with. I do everything I can through text inerfaces. IT really sucks that your movie theatre stuff has decided to go this way. There are often websites with these things that you can look up as an alternative. (that's what I do on the odd occasion when I'm actually interested in such thing. I never get time to see movies in the theatre, so it's not somehting I often deal with) I sometimes wonder about the usefulness of all this 'voice activated' stuff. Half the time the technology doesn't even work all that well yet, and secondly, there are lots of people for many different reasons, whom speech doesnt' work for. As I said, I go through text interfaces as often as possible. Even for interactive speech sometimes, though not recently. I have had to explain to people sometimes while looking for a computer with speech synthesis that 'no, I want it the other way around' because they'll assume I want speech to text instead of text to speech. |
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Posted by: sarah bayle ® 11/21/2002, 13:15:55 Author Profile Mail author |
My voice does not activate the voice recognition menu at the Virginia Mason Clinic where I receive medical care! I had informed them of this issue and they said they will change the system. I figured, yah..right. But guess what? Now the voice recognition system has a back up with a numerical entry system. Point is: let people know, who depend on YOUR business, that the system does not work for you and you will take your business elsewhere. Money talks, as does polite informative requests sent to business offices to let those people know that the system is not providing you with good service. Sometime they do care, and the more letters we write, the more we are heard and the more we encourage the humanity in our system to make decisions. You can always mention the word "disability" and, if it is a federally funded agency with awareness of the power of the American with Disabilities Act, they will hear you! |
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Posted by: Lynne Martinez ® 11/20/2002, 14:30:10 Author Profile Mail author |
Right Renee...and we thought it was frustrating to make ourselves understood by a human! Awhile back, I called my local police department because I realized I was going to have to start wearing a whistle (for emergency purposes) after my voice started failing. I started explaining to the dispatcher that I needed a professional whistle to wear all the time, due to my vocal disorder. She hung up. So, I called right back and said to her, "you hung up on me!" and you know what she said to me? "I couldn't hear you." Is that a major *DUH!* or what? Your movie story is interesting because now that I have to keep from talking, my friends are saying that they don't want to strain my voice so "let's go to a movie together so you won't have to talk." I wonder what was so hard about putting the times in the paper and having that recorder? Yesterday, I had to get an 800 toll-free number from Directory Assistance and evidently that service has recently gone *voice-activated.* Same thing with you. I couldn't get it to engage. And, of course (on the other end) there's this clear, loud, smoothe, authoritative computer voice saying, "I can't hear you." Right...like I have to be reminded by a computer. Thanks Renee. I feel better now. Life is certainly full of ironies. --Lynne (AD/SD; Northern California) |
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Posted by: sarah bayle ® 11/21/2002, 13:25:02 Author Profile Mail author |
Lynne, this makes me think of the time I tried to get 1-800 red-tide hotline phone number (which is an automated system to check red tide status at beaches in WA state!) as I was about to scarf down some clams we grabbed at the beach. The system did not handle my voice and connected me to an agency that processed child abuse reports. I was completely exasperated by the time I had someone ask me, "are you reporting child abuse at this time?" I almost popped. The end of the story is that my eleven year old daughter learned how to access 1-800 information that day as I could not do it myself. She made the inquiry about the clams and I felt like she had learned a great number of great lessons. My disability has a huge impact on my entire family!! My children have learned to ask for things in stores and directions etc. as I sometimes cannot manage to speak for myself. I can't even handle wearing my microphone-amp system because it embarrasses me. Wow. weird things. |
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Posted by: karen feeley ® 11/27/2002, 08:42:16 Author Profile Mail author |
Not making apologies for the movie theatres here, but the reason they have stopped putting the listings in the papers is because the papers charge them for it as an advertisement. Many of the big chains (I think AMC) are no longer placing the listings to save money. One non-voice alternative is to go to My Yahoo.com. You can set up your home page to display the movie theatres in your area. Then, every time you open your homepage, you can see the latest times. You can also click on links to movie reviews. I use this all the time. It's actually very good, and definitely avoids having to deal with the voice. -Karen |
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Posted by: Larry Blair ® 11/20/2002, 15:20:12 Author Profile Mail author |
Renee, I had that problem with Sears. They have that voice activated system. I was trying to buy a dryer from them. I was trying to get through to the Large Appliances Department. I would say "Appliances" and it would say that what I said was unrecognizable. Just another frustration to deal with. Larry |
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Posted by: fancynancy ® 11/20/2002, 18:18:24 Author Profile Mail author |
Maybe I've had pretty good luck (depending on how you look at it). Sure, those voice-activated systems are a nightmare for us SDers. But every time I got one and it couldn't understand me, it would say "just a moment", and I'd get a live operator. What a depressing thing to think you can't even get operator-assistance! |
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Posted by: arlene porter ® 11/20/2002, 20:24:07 Author Profile Mail author |
I know the feeling. We have a help line at work at is either voice activated or you can push the options. Well being from the south all of our employees would get the same response as you and I. The wonderful voice activated machine could not understand their accent. Just to hear their frustration at being told they couldn't be understood was amusing and to see how frustrated they were was amusing. |
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Posted by: will blum ® 11/20/2002, 21:38:17 Author Profile Mail author |
When I call my credit card company to get my credit card balance, a recording says, "please speak or touch tone your sixteen digit account number." When I speak my account number, a recording says, "your response was not understood, please speak or touch tone your sixteen digit account number." I will not touch tone my account number. I just keep saying my account number for a number of times. Then a live operator comes on the line.
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Posted by: Doris St. Clair ® 11/21/2002, 05:12:08 Author Profile Mail author |
Gosh Will, you brave soul!!! I never have the nerve to speak my credit card number on the phone!!! I am so relieved that all I have to do is punch the numbers in. Good for you!!! We recently changed insurance companies and now my former insurance carrier is calling me. She left a message and said that I should fax her something (which I did right away) and now she is calling and saying she never received the fax and that I have to call her. I just can't imagine calling her!!! So I asked my husband to call her today. Whew!! Doris St. Clair AD/SD VA |
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Posted by: William T Walter ® 11/26/2002, 23:23:22 Author Profile Mail author |
Doris - I feel your pain. The Botox shots work well for me most of the time now, but before that I used to hate using the phone, trying to summon the nerve to make important calls at work or homw knowing my voice was gonna be tough. I did get to the point where I could totally strain my neck in a clenching sort of way so that I could talk through a short phone conversation okay. But that basically hurt and wans't good. Will, you seem to have the right attitude from what I'm reading. If they're gonna use voice-automated stuff, why not speak the card number? They'll ultimately get an operator on the phone. Of course I'd usually just type the darn number in but occasionally I get more brave. Bill |
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Posted by: karen feeley ® 11/27/2002, 08:46:05 Author Profile Mail author |
As a general rule, I try to avoid speaking a credit card # into a phone, unless I am completely by myself in a room. Partly this is due to not wanting to deal with SD issues, but more importantly, you never know who is listening and taking down your number. As a victim of ID theft from someone who sat next to me at work, I can tell you that I learned that lesson the hard way. Even more important than the credit card is your SSN. Once a crook has that, they can do a heck of a lot of stuff with it that you don't even realize. -Karen |
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Posted by: Renee Urban ® 11/24/2002, 13:54:22 Author Profile Mail author |
Another thing to add--It seems that more and more things are going voice-activated. I think that this is really discrimination with our bad voices. ALL of these systems should have a back up number system to push in, but the movie line I called didn't. I AGAIN tried to see a movie this last weekend and I couldn't get through. I ended up driving over to the movie house to find out the times. THIS is going to grow old FAST!!! Renee Urban ADSD/ Austin, TEXAS |
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Posted by: Lynne Martinez ® 12/04/2002, 15:30:35 Author Profile Mail author |
Hi Renee, Here's another one for you. We need to collect these things. This one today was a classic. I called Amtrak because I have to pick up my son soon and wanted to know what time the train was arriving and got the funniest (and most frustrating) "Voice Recognition System" so far. There's some computer recording on there who introduces itself as "Julie" and says things like..."OK now" as if you were conversing with a real human. And, then, after going through all the vocal-contortions of trying to say the WORD "Schedule" or the WORD "Information" and the WORD "Help" (their options) and they keep saying they can't understand me and keep sending me back to the beginning, I waited and pressed "star" and alot of other things, still getting put back to the beginning of the recording. No agent ever came on. Then I just decided to make alot of racket in the background, like banging with pans, etc? Finally, I got a new computerized word - they said "say the WORD "Agent." (Expletives deleted on my part). I yelled out the word "Agent" as loud as I could and started pounding on the kitchen counter. After three major pounds, a human actually came on. Poor woman. She got an earful but said I could write to Customer Service. Yeh, right. BTW, I was talking to my cousins at Thanksgiving about this same issue. They all have normal voices and one of them said they had the same trouble. The problem is...it affects SD'ers worse, with all the effort in talking. After all of this, we get major migraines. --Lynne (AD/SD; Northern California) |
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Posted by: Larry Blair ® 12/04/2002, 15:54:08 Author Profile Mail author |
Lynne, I got one of those yesterday too, when I called Sprint PCS. The voice answered and said to state your problem. All I could do was laugh, and then hang up. She even had a name. I think it was Clair, like "Clear Air" LOL... Doesn't it make you furious? Larry
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Posted by: Linda S. Adamson ® 12/10/2002, 12:39:54 Author Profile Mail author |
I've experienced the problem with the Amtrak recorded "assistant" and wound up handing the phone to my husband before I got to the banging-and-throwing-things stage of frustration. Today I had my first hang-ups (two in a row) from someone answering the phone in a public school who, I'm sure, thought I was a heavy-breathing crank phone caller. Wouldn't even stay on the line long enough for me to get out that I'm with Johns Hopkins University, for crying out loud! And that was with my amplifying phone, too. So we all deal with the new barriers our technological existence creates for us. I work, through my church, with rural Mayan folks in Guatemala. I'm coping in person when I visit (less well than I used to, by a long shot, but they are very kind to me), but the phone conversations I used to have regularly have gone away for the most part. The connections are very sketchy to start with, and an in-&-out voice is really not an asset in that situation. If anyone gets any response from Amtrak about making this new system friendlier to folks like us and others with not-quite-"normal" voices, I'd love to read about it here.
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Posted by: Estelle ® 12/10/2002, 14:40:52 Author Profile Mail author |
I've been complaining to Amtrak, because I take the train to get to my ENT appointments. The solution they gave me was to say "AGENT" at the beginning of the call to get an operator. That's a word that I can say with my AB/SD voice, but I told them that they still needed to provide a non-voice activated option for those with voice disorders. Maybe they will get tired of hearing my voice and change the system! Estelle
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Posted by: Lynne Martinez ® 12/11/2002, 17:11:11 Author Profile Mail author |
Hi Estelle, I told them the exact same thing you did (see above in this thread - fighting with the Amtrak "voice recognition" system) but seems they will wear us down before we wear them down, unfortunately. They appear to have more "air" and corporate power than we do. Dog-gone-it! But, guess we all know by now that life isn't fair. Oh well. --Lynne PS: If you figure out how to get to them and change their system, I think we'd all be interested. |
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Posted by: Renee Urban ® 12/15/2002, 15:49:45 Author Profile Mail author |
This thread seems to have really struck a chord. I found out a way to get around the movie postings. Seems our newspaper has a dial-in number that you can call that states all the times of ALL the movies showing at ALL the Austin theatres. I don't have to say a word!!! Problem solved! But these things REALLY are a pain and are EVERYWHERE. Now I can watch a movie in peace, but can I use the voice-activated systems for anything else?
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