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Posted by: Judy Stephens ®

11/19/2002, 14:40:11

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Is there anyone with SD that has short periods of perfectly normal voice?






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Posted by: David Barton (NZ) ®

11/19/2002, 15:28:26

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I used to find I would have short periods of fairly normal voice first thing in the morning - I would save any phone calls I had to make until then. This was in the pre-Botox days.

Also, my voice comes out normally when combined with yawning/laughing, for example.

David Barton (AD/SD, Auckland, NZ)







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Posted by: Dwight Cruikshank ®

11/19/2002, 22:55:25

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Ditto on first thing in the morning.






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Posted by: Lynne Martinez ®

11/19/2002, 17:22:30

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Judy,

Yes. Absolutely yes. It's one of the most frustrating *things* about our disorder and is quite typical. Nobody understands that but us though. They think we're making it up. At least people I know do.

Thanks for bringing up this subject. It's a good one.

--Lynne (AD/SD with tremor and RLN surgery; Northern California)







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Posted by: Larry Blair ®

11/19/2002, 18:46:06

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Judy,

That's the frustrating thing about this. I had a normal voice yesterday for most of the day. Today, I am straining to talk at all? Very annoying. Yesterday I was more sociable. Wanted to be around people. Today, I have been just keeping to myself. I have a hearing loss in one ear and wear a hearing aid. The two combined, just keeps me so out of touch at times.

Larry

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Posted by: fancynancy ®

11/19/2002, 19:39:56

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Mine has a very brief normal moment, first thing in the morning. My voice is also better after that "time of month", but during PMS is awful. Used to be predictable but now is overall worse, so it's hard to tell.

--fancynancy--

AB, tremor (and MTD?), central CA







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Posted by: Pat Odell ®

11/19/2002, 21:34:04

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This phenomenon was one of the reasons it took me a while to really pursue what was happening with my voice. I still have times, especially in the evening, when my voice sounds almost normal. As quickly as it comes, just as quickly does it go! It may last for a few minutes or an hour, but it frustrates me when it turns rough again.






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Posted by: harriet mandel ®

11/19/2002, 23:37:42

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My thoughts are that we are remarkable

people that we are out there in the world

coping with SD.....I understand fully that

there are far worse things.....but having

this fear of what you sound like to other

people, avoiding making conversation, un-

willing to add your thoughts or ideas in

large gatherings....dealing with this and

still being part of society and the working

world .....we are special people.






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Posted by: Lynne Martinez ®

11/20/2002, 00:15:37

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Bless you, Harriet. I've felt the same way since meeting so many SD'ers in person, beginning in 1998. You said it beautifully.

I feel for the SD'ers out there who have no one, though. Especially the ones who have no idea what they have. We have to find them. Awareness and support is everything.

--Lynne







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Posted by: arlene porter ®

11/20/2002, 20:27:25

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Lynne you are so right about that. I find that when I get stressed out or tired that is when my voice really gets bad. Also if I am upset or frustrated it has a tendency to get worse.






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Posted by: Ida Neary ®

11/20/2002, 08:55:28

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OH YES!! When I am mad, scared, or excited my voice is strong. I was able to do theater even before Botox. My voice was always strong on stage as long as I was somewhat scared. When I became more comfortable on stage it didn't work as well.

Ida

AD/SD 25 yrs. Iowa






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Posted by: June Sutton ®

11/20/2002, 17:25:56

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I, too, when mad, scared or excited have such a powerful voice that I can actually scream. Laughing also produces a good voice. Just let me try to make a phone call, though, and nothing comes out. I do much better when someone else calls me. When the SD first began, tho, I had a good voice in the morning, too - not anymore.

AD/SD 18yrs.






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Posted by: David Barton (NZ) ®

11/20/2002, 17:48:03

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My explanation for doing better with an incoming call is that the caller knows who they want to speak to - you!

With an outgoing call, the SD person is the one who has to identify themselves. I've never met an SD person who didn't have particular trouble with giving their name, address, phone number.

David Barton (AD/SD, Auckland, NZ)







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Posted by: Lynne Martinez ®

11/20/2002, 20:55:25

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June, Ida and everyone,

Gosh, these posts take me back to when I was an untreated case (ie: severe AD/SD, before RLN surgery). These days, it's even hard to relate to other SD'ers because my docs and I have discovered I am unlike any other case anywhere. Yep...I have (or had) extremely severe AD/SD with tremors. Corrected (treated) by surgery? Right...I get used to a whole new routine. With everything in my vocal/respiratory system failing, who knows what is going on or what a voice is?

With all of that in mind, I can relate to what all of you are saying because - as much I can't talk or breathe when I'm at home - I got a major dose of *Adrenalin* last week in Miami, just being around people who understand me. They all said I sounded good, even though I was still suffering from breathing problems and talking over noise killed me and my voice was dead when I got home. My head (headaches due to trying to talk) was dead also.

Once again, we're all different and have to educate the docs because I don't think there is a "medical professional" in the universe who can figure this complexity out. If we can't, how can they?

Also, re some threads on the BB recently (experts?), there were some docs in Florida who were seriously promoting the concept of a patient-doctor partnership. Dr. Mark Stacy, from Phoenix (the Mohammed Ali Parkinson's Clinic) was a huge proponent of patients and doctors as a partnership. As he said...docs are a "vendor of services." Communication, communication, communication. Docs are human too.

As SD patients, we need to go find the docs we can work with. Patients and docs need to understand how FRUSTRATING and erractic our vocal responses can be. By the month/day...and often by the minute. I seriously can not get a handle on any *voice-predicability* these days, with my own vocal instrument.

I've been through the full routine. Untreated, extremely severe case. Treated case. Looked (sounded) good for a few years. Could predict the cycle. And, now. 100% erratic. Can't work. Can't predict. Can't even go out of my house some days without someone with me.

What's normal? I forgot. SD is the adventure of a lifetime. Hang on.

--Lynne







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Posted by: mary bifaro ®

11/22/2002, 06:23:32

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This topic is quite interesting and I have enjoyed reading the posts. I have found that my abductor SD voice improves when crying, laughing, and when I have a cold. Most especially though, it has real "normal" stretches when I am comfortable with the person I am talking to in a quiet setting. Happy Thanksgiving to all!






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Posted by: Susan Stewart ®

11/24/2002, 13:28:36

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Hey, all you lucky people with a "good" morning voice! Mine

seems to be better after it is "warmed up" or used a bit....

Day before yesterday I was sure that I was on my way to

recovery--pretty great voice. Then yesterday BAM! back

to the bad voice! So we take the good with the bad. I

do think that it makes us appreciate life much more...

Susan AD/SD






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Posted by: krissie ®

11/24/2002, 14:20:53

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I have been told that you cannot have times of normal voice with SD by two different ENT departments. I have now been dismissed as a psychiatric case for the second time in four years.






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Posted by: Lylia Bennett ®

11/24/2002, 20:30:01

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I have had SD for more than 20 years. As I was dealing with the SD in the very early stages, not only did I have short periods of "normal voice" I would have two or three days of "normal voice". I was still with the school system at the time, and I really enjoyed those special "good days". Then for no reason, my voice would revert to a really bad adductor sd voice. The "bad voice" might be my situation for several days. Very aggravating while trying to function within the school setting. I never had a doctor tell me that I was a "psychiatric case". However, I felt that I must be "crazy" because the voice really wasn't making any sense to me. Especially while trying to talk on the phone. My voice was almost always "poor" at that time. Even after my diagnosis, I still would have the same voice pattern - but my bad days became worse and usually for more extended periods of time. I think all cases are different, but this was my experience. Hope this helps.






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Posted by: Ida Neary ®

11/24/2002, 21:10:35

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Tell the ENT departments to deal with SD for 25 years and then make that statement.

QUACKS!!

Ida






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Posted by: krissie ®

11/25/2002, 03:33:32

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Hi Ida........hope you are ok. I am totally confused as everytime I am scoped I am told something different.

Last year a very strong spasm was visible, previous scopes have shown a tremour but it settled after a while and then I was told my cords were not meeting. The last one I had I was told they looked normal.

The only good spells of voice which we have discussed before I have are when I go to see someone about my voice or I am nervous, aggitated or angry. I struggle all the way to the hospital with my voice and it comes back in the consulting room and then promply goes again as soon as I leave.

The only thing that I thought was odd was the fact that when the spasm was visible I had not had my throat sprayed to numb it.

I had to repeat myself three times on the bus the other day as the driver could not understand me and then I ended up being charged too much. This is a real nightmare.






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Posted by: Ida Neary ®

11/25/2002, 08:48:14

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Oh, Krissie I know exactly what you are going through. Many of us on the board have experienced a 'close to normal' voice when we go to the doctor. After going without a diagnosis for 10 years, I made a tape of my voice reading out of a book. (have you found that to be almost impossible too?)

As it turned out the doctor I took it to was very aquainted with SD and I didn't need the tape to convince him that something was wrong. You might want to try that. Maybe you could find out from others on the board who in your area is doing good work with SD.

Best of luck from someone who has been there done that.

Ida

AD/SD 25 years Iowa






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Posted by: William T Walter ®

11/26/2002, 17:57:29

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Hi Everyone:

This is my first time on this BB but I have been experiencing the symptoms of AD/SD for a few years and have had Botox injections for about a year. For me, they work pretty darn well. It's just a matter of trying to deal with having a weak voice, not being able to speak over noise, which is really a big change since I am only 25 and used to go to loud bars, music shows, etc. It's been a crazy, crazy time these last few years and i must admit I haven't dealt with it as productively as I might. I am amazed at the courage, optimism, tenacity, and endurance I am reading so much in the postings on here.

Anyways, in regard to the psychiatric thing, I kindof diagnosed myself incorrectly as SD being just a symptom of anxiety. For me, my voice gets worse when I am self-conscious. There seems to be a big element to it of me thinking about it while talking or someone pointing it out or me trying to explain it. Being on the phone is rough and can continue to be so just out of the memory of past times.

I do like though how someone said in here that it's a huge step forward in trying to accept it and learning to not care that I sound pretty damn strange. I am lucky that with Botox I am able to communicate in most regular noise-level situations. I did go though about 8 months where it was very hard to talk at work (a stressful environment) to the point where I couldn't be understood sometimes.

SD is not fun, I must say. There are times when i have nightmares about not being able to speak and the terror that brings. And when you think about it, the voice is the one major thing we have to communicate with others. It's so crazy to have this disease where you are so fearful of using your voice out of the embarrassment, misunderstanding, etc.

But anyways, I definitely am glad I finally am using this BB. I was prescribed Neurontin by my psychiatrist right before I got my first Botox shot, so I'm not certain what each contributed, but it did help. If anything though it made me less anxious and self-aware and I think by removing some of these elements, I just didn't worry about my voice as much. But to be told by a psychiatrist that you have a throat stutter and it's all mental really shook me. I still struggle with it at times in terms of accepting and being open about SD to others.

So, thanks for listening, Happy Thanksgiving, and I look forward to being back on here sometime soon.

Bill







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