SD -vs- MTD


Posted by Sandy Van Vlymen ® , Nov 11,2001,12:08   Archive
Can someone give me a simple explanation as to the difference between the two. Are there different symptoms and treatment?



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Re : SD -vs- MTD --- Sandy Van Vlymen
Posted by David Barton (NZ) ® , Nov 11,2001,12:49 Top of Thread Archive
SD is neurological - a laryngeal dystonia. It does not generally respond that well to voice therapy. If ADductor, then the symptoms are significantly relieved by botulinum toxin injections.

With MTD you really need to "unlearn" inappropriate vocal habits you have slipped into - and the standard treatment is to work on this with a speech pathologist.

Both produce a squeezed effortful voice, and it is not easy to distinguish between the two.

I've grossly over-simplified this, as you asked for a "simple" explanation. For a fuller explanation I would recommend these links:

http://www.voice-center.com/MTDvoice.html

http://www.bgsm.edu/voice/overview_sd.html

This is what the NSDA's website says about MTD:

Is SD the same as Muscle Tension Dysphonia (MTD)?
Muscle Tension Dysphonia is a type of voice disorder that often "masquerades" as SD and many such people are misdiagnosed with it. MTD involves a consistent tightening of the laryngeal muscles and is often called Hypertensive Dysphonia. This problem responds very well to vocal rehabilitation. In very severe cases, when vocal therapy does not help, botulinum toxin injections can be tried to help relieve symptoms.

David Barton (AD/NZ)




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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- David Barton (NZ)
Posted by David Hedley ® , Nov 11,2001,16:22 Top of Thread Archive
I am not sure now what I have. I feel that I have Spasmodic Dysphonia and this is wahat I was diagnosed with but muscle tension dysphonia really describes my condition. I feel that I am straining the words and this of course is muscle tension - but how can I tell for sure what I have?

David




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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- David Hedley
Posted by Lloyd Pearson(BC) ® , Nov 11,2001,16:42 Top of Thread Archive
"Straining the words" is also a very strong indication of SD. To tell if you have MTD over SD you can try an extensive course of speech therapy. If the voice responds to speech therapy, then you probably have MTD - if not, then most likely SD. Again, an over-simplification but generally held true. The difference will probably show up over time, if working with a competent speech pathologist and ENT who are completely familiar with MTD/SD

Lloyd (AD/BC - Canada)




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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- David Barton (NZ)
Posted by Jan Joiner ® , Nov 12,2001,21:47 Top of Thread Archive
Hi David and Lloyd,

Thanks for the clearist answer I've heard regarding SD vs MTD. For years I went to specialist after specialist and a speech therapist who did not clearly explain the difference nor did they care to reconize the difference.

I now know my SD had to have started out with MTD then lead too Spasmodic Dysphonia. Bet you didn't know you would make a good doc. LOL

Regards, Jan - Alabama - SLAD'R Surgery




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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- Jan Joiner
Posted by David Barton (NZ) ® , Nov 13,2001,16:08 Top of Thread Archive
Just need to clarify here that SD and MTD are two distinct disorders, and although they are often confused and each misdiagnosed as the other in some cases, to the best of my knowledge it is not possible to have both at the same time - unless the patient has developed compensatory vocal habits to work around the SD. Sometimes a speech pathologist will recommend voice therapy for precisely that reason - to remove the masking symptoms and unveil the underlying SD.

To the best of my knowledge MTD (a functional, not organic, disorder where the patient has developed inappropriate voicing habits, for whatever reason) does not lead to, or cause, SD, which is a neurological movement disorder - the voice that results from laryngeal dystonia.

David Barton (AD/SD, New Zealand)

PS - your request for advice asking whether you should visit your speech therapist ..... a general comment I've heard from experienced voice pathologists at various NSDA conferences is that when having speech therapy for SD it is advisable to put a time limit on it in advance and have a clear idea of how you will measure progress, and know when to pull the plug.




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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- David Barton (NZ)
Posted by Jan Joiner ® , Nov 13,2001,21:52 Top of Thread Archive
David,

I am trying to clarify here. Are you saying that there is no way I could have had MTD which lead to SD? If so why would the surgery have been so sucessful for me, if I did not have SD? And why would Botox inections not work at times for me? I am not sure I understand exactly what it is that you are saying here.

Regards, Jan - Alabama - SLAD'R Surgery




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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- Jan Joiner
Posted by David Barton (NZ) ® , Nov 13,2001,23:58 Top of Thread Archive
Jan

Please don't take my comments as expert medical opinion. What I post here is only based on extensive reading and synthesised from presentations I have heard at NSDA symposiums etc. I'd rather comment in general terms than about your particular case.

MTD, in my opinion, can be corrected by the patient changing their voicing methods, with expert guidance of course. How MTD arises is unknown, and I won't speculate on that. I would say though that an MTD patient would be highly unlikely to speak that way on purpose - so it's misuse, rather than abuse of the vocal apparatus.

Laryngeal dystonia (this is the disorder that causes the voice we describe as spasmodic dysphonia), in contrast, is a neurological movement disorder and is certainly not caused by vocal abuse/misuse. So there is no reason why MTD (a functional vocal disorder) would trigger SD, which is really the brain delivering the wrong signals to your vocal cords. An SD patient can't blame vocal abuse/misuse for their voice problem.

Remember that SD is often misdiagnosed as MTD in the first place. It's much more likely (almost certain in my opinion) that a patient who has been diagnosed with MTD and then, correctly, told they have SD, has been misdiagnosed in the first place rather than both diagnoses being correct.

The SLAD-R surgery, to the best of my knowledge, is directed at people who have a firm diagnosis of ADductor SD. It's almost certainly an inappropriate treatment for MTD, which usually responds to voice therapy.

There are a number of reasons why Botox injections don't work sometimes or stop working - these are not really related to whether a diagnosis of SD is correct.

David Barton (AD/New Zealand)




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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- David Barton (NZ)
Posted by Jan Joiner ® , Nov 14,2001,22:40 Top of Thread Archive
David, perhaps I did not have MTD which lead to SD. After reading your comments it makes me wonder. However, I don't think Dr. Berke or Dr. Blumin would have performed the SLAD'R surgery if they did not indeed feel that I had ADductor Spamodic Dysphonia.

I too think that if it wasn't SD, that the speech therapy and botox injections would have worked. Anyway, I appreciate your comments.

Regards, Jan




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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- Jan Joiner
Posted by narelle lehane ® (Narelle Lehane,narelle lehane), Dec 03,2001,20:08 Top of Thread Archive
MTD can develop as a result of SD. I developed it as my SD went untreated and misdiagnosed for many years (got it when 17) as a nervous disorder. I therefore developed many bad compensatory speech habits to help me speak as well as I could. When I started having botox it always wore off quickly and this is now thought to be a result of the overlying MTD. Since I had the "Shims" inserted between my "true" cords" I have had speech therapy to help my "false cords" relax and allow me to speak without too much effort, and it's worked. I think that if I had receved treatment like botox soon after the onset of my SD this would not have happened.



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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- David Barton (NZ)
Posted by Kim ® , Dec 04,2001,01:03 Top of Thread Archive
Okay, so.... if speech therapy designed to relieve the symptoms of MTD makes the symptoms WORSE, then it's a good bet that the problem is NOT MTD?



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Posted by Narelle Lehane ® , Dec 05,2001,18:22 Top of Thread Archive
I'd say so !
I had speech therapy during misdiagnosed years and it was horrid.



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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- Narelle Lehane
Posted by micki ® (Micki,micki), Dec 05,2001,18:26 Top of Thread Archive
If you have MTD and it is misdiagnosed as SD, does botox help?



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Posted by Kim ® , Dec 06,2001,01:55 Top of Thread Archive
From my understanding, whatever the diagnosis is, if it is in fact MTD, and NOT SD, the Botox does not help. Main'y I'm picking this up from what I've read here.



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Posted by brendan cassidy ® , Dec 07,2001,00:47 Top of Thread Archive
Sounds like if you can get better it's mtd
and if you can't it's sd
My voice has improved after speech theray and hypnosis.
It's not fixed and can be as bad as it always was.
I don't know if it's electrical or habitual.
I know after I damaged my larynx my body had to make voice with different muscles. I kept using those muscles. For want of a response from my larynx. I'm going to try this gaba....



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Posted by Narelle Lehane ® , Dec 15,2001,06:28 Top of Thread Archive
MTD can be helped with botox,but the botox has to be placed into the "false" vocal cords as opposed to the "true" cords where SD occurs.
MTD can be "cured" with speech path, but the botox in between can help ease the muscle tension and get the throat used to not being so tight.
cheers

N




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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- Narelle Lehane
Posted by micki ® (Micki,micki), Dec 15,2001,13:17 Top of Thread Archive
Thanks for explaining that. I have wanted to know for some time.
Micki



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Re : Re: SD -vs- MTD --- Narelle Lehane
Posted by Kim ® , Dec 06,2001,01:52 Top of Thread Archive
{:~) ROTFL! I'll BET!!! I know when we were trying to do those kinds of things, it really made things worse and was really overloading!! Horrid is a good word for it!!! (needless to say, we discontinued that after not too long!)

These results are part of why I was so annoyed at my speech path. recently when I showed her the article, and the majority of her response was that I try to do this stuff again!!!! She was obviously missing the point!! And there was no point in even trying to argue with her 'cause she was leaving on maternity leave in two days!!!! AARGH!!

--modified by Kim at Thu, Dec 06, 2001, 01:54:38




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