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Posted by: kayt ®
10/07/2004, 08:42:08


I feel like I have a slight case of the flu after Botox. Am I crazy or does anyone else experience this?



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Posted by: will blum ®
10/07/2004, 09:30:14


You are not crazy. Others do experience flu like symptoms after receiving a Botox injection.

Three or four of the members of my support group said that their last Botox injection did not last as long as previous injections. These members received Botox from different doctors at different location. I was wondering if others have noticed this effect.




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Posted by: kayt ®
10/07/2004, 16:00:09


Will, my Botox didn't work at all last month and I met another woman who said the same from a different dr. I wonder if this is all a coincidence or is Botox getting "watered down" some how



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Posted by: Samietooo ®
10/10/2004, 08:51:47


As far as flu-like symptoms, I have gotten that also. It doesn't happen all the time, but it's happened to me several times!

I had botox two months in a row, skipped a month and went back for another injection. NONE of them worked!! I haven't gone back now for several months. Before this, botox 'almost' always worked and I've had many injections. I wonder what's going on here??? This is VERY discouraging to say the least!! And now, what do we do? I'm in Florida and go to Dr. Widick in Boca Raton. Can you please say where your from if the same thing has happened to you?

Anyone have any suggestions as to what we do? Different doctors and no success?

Thanks!

Carol
(Florida)




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Posted by: Ida ®
10/10/2004, 10:52:07


Hi Carol
I sent you a personal e-mail suggesting you ask your doctor to inject your forehead with Botox. If it doesn't take there either (it didn't on me) you probably have become immune to it.
Ida



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Posted by: Len Johansson ®
10/11/2004, 15:10:18


Had Botox injection in May. Breathy and hoarseness for 3 - 4 weeks. Never had any real period of good voice. Wondered why and if others experienced similar problem. Asked Dr if injection not in the muscles properly, lower dose, getting immune, etc. Dr indicated may be all of above. Prior injection Oct 2003 was great with longest period of good voice. Len


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Posted by: Ida ®
10/11/2004, 18:12:25


In the ten years that Botox worked for me I had mostly very good results. Three or four times the injection didn't take at all. (I discovered that those were times that I talked a lot right after the injection.) Twice in the 10 years I had injections that left me hoarse throughout the entire time until the spasms started again and I got another injection. Both times the injection after the hoarseness worked fine.
Hope this helps.
Ida



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Posted by: kayt ®
10/10/2004, 10:53:36


I go to Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center in Winston-Salem, NC for my Botox. Someone told me that around 10 years the effectiveness of Botox stops and you become kind of immune to it. Don't know if that is true. Then the only next step I know of is surgery or implants. I too am learning. Hope it helps. kay



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Posted by: Samietooo ®
10/10/2004, 12:19:12


I just received an email from Ida, stating that we SD'ers can become immune. This is the first time I've heard that.

Because of insurance reasons, I had to change doctors. I had mostly successful injections before then. I think it's highly unlikely that I changed doctors and at the same time became immune??

I know someone from our Voices group who was having problems with botox similar to mine, with the exception that she hadn't changed doctors! I'm happy to say that her last botox injection was a success! She also could have thought she was 'immune' to botox, and not have gone back. Makes me wonder what her problem was. Was it possibly the doctor or botox itself?

Carol
(Florida)




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Posted by: Amelia Walker ®
10/12/2004, 11:22:17


I asked my specialist at my last appointment about becoming immune to botox after a few years. He said for the very few that this has accured, there are other strains of the shot that are available to try. You might want to ask about that. Amelia...Minnesota...ADSD



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Posted by: lindy ®
10/13/2004, 20:49:59


I have had on a few occasions a feeling of nausea, etc after botox shot. I have also read this sometimes happens to others. In reading posts, some of you said botox didn't take. I had my injection end of September and still have a weak voice. Just doesn't get loud and is very unclear. I keep wondering if it was too much, too little, not in right spot, or bad batch. I keep saying....it will come in loud and clear soon. But in the time being, I am getting worn out trying to talk with a voice that people can hear. Very frustrating.



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Posted by: Laurie ®
10/13/2004, 21:26:47


I'm assuming you have AD/SD. If not, this advice will not apply.

If you still have a weak/breathy voice after botox in September, it is more than likely that it a) definitely worked; b) was in the right spot; and c) was clearly not a bad batch.

The weakening of one's vocal muscles is the "main effect" of botox. This is often confused with the concept of a "side effect." The goal of botox, in my opinion, is to achieve the least amount of weakening possible, while leaving a highly serviceable/near-normal voice (without spasms/tremors/straining/effort). The definition of a "highly serviceable voice" will vary among individuals. Depending on one's tolerance for breathiness (or lack thereof), botox dosages can be adjusted up and down significantly, or injected in one versus two cords. It can take several tries to hone a workable system.

Whether the dose was too high is subjective. In this case, it sounds like you were prefer a stronger voice at this stage, perhaps implying that it was too high.

When people say botox didn't take, it should very simply mean their voice is *exactly* the same as it was the day before they received the injection. No change whatsoever, for better or for worse. It does not mean their voice changed, but they don't like the change. In that instance, the botox "took" (i.e., it did something, it works, the person is not immune) but it simply didn't do what the individual person wanted it to do.

In the instance that people have multiple problems competing with their SD (i.e., vocal nodules, polyps, essential voice tremor, smoker's voice, other focal dystonias in the laryngeal/pharyngeal area, among others), this advice regarding botox will not relate 100%.

It sometimes helps to chart and/or record your voice week to week and then present that to your ENT or neurologist at the next visit in order to work toward a more ideal system.

Laurie




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