SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
  Archive
Posted by: Linda Spain ®

11/13/2002, 18:15:42

Author Profile Mail author

The “dreaded telephone” is mentioned by many SD sufferers. I shared this problem, but solved it with the help of a speech language pathologist. The purpose of this posting is to convey my experience with the hope that this information will be useful to others.

Observation:

Most people with normal voices speak differently when they are on the phone than when they are speaking to someone in the room with them. When I started listening for this, I was surprised at how prevalent and dramatic this phenomenon is. I don’t know why, but people tend to project differently and also speak more loudly when on the phone. (It is particularly interesting that they usually will deny that they do it; and, even after it is brought to their attention, they will continue both to do it and deny they do it). It is reasonable to extrapolate that SD sufferers are trying, without realizing it, to do this same thing - the “phone voice” thing. For many of us, trying to speak with this different projection and volume is even more difficult than our usual challenging voice.

Prescription:

Obviously, the “dreaded phone” problem is solved if we with SD stop trying to produce the “phone voice” and just use our conversing voice all of the time. Easier said than done, though. (This phenomenon is just so weird.)

My experience:

I learned to stop trying to produce the “phone” voice in the following way. When on the phone, address your comments to a nearby object. As mentioned above, this isn’t as easy as it seems. You can’t just look at the object while you talk on the phone, you must address your remarks to the object. This takes concentration and some imagination. It may help to use a photograph of someone as opposed to a spot on the wall or a typical desk object, and you may want to practice when you are not on the phone (but, practice privately; you don’t want people thinking that in addition to having SD you’ve also started talking to pencils). This may sound very silly, but it worked for me. After a while, I had trained myself not to try to produce the “phone” voice and this problem was solved. Be patient, it may take a little time.

As an additional note for those with weak voices, many devices to amplify outgoing voice on the phone are readily available at office supply type stores. Remember, especially if your voice is breathy, place the microphone at the side of your mouth for best results.

Best of luck to all. I hope this information is useful to someone.

Linda







| Recommend | Alert   Previous | Next | Current page
Replies to this message


Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- Linda Spain Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Kim ®

11/13/2002, 20:17:55

Author Profile Mail author

It might have something to do with the really BAD design of the technology of phones compared to the human range of speech sounds produced; phones only transmit part of the frequency of these sounds, and both the upper and lower range is cut off.

As for phones, I avoid the problem by using a TTY/TDD device when I have to make a phone call to someone other thant eh few people I'll call, or answer a call from. ...That is, when I can't get around getting my support person to make the phone call for me, which, now that I have her, is one of her main jobs. (along with anything else that involves dealing with strange/unfamiliar people.)

Kim







| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- Linda Spain Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: gavin hadley ®

11/14/2002, 07:04:07

Author Profile Mail author
Good morning Linda...

I work in an relatively open office area and phone conversations are anything but private. If I'm on the phone, having a conversation with a paper weight, and a coworker walks by, what's the best punch line? "My wife doesn't understand me?".....or maybe "will YOU be my friend?".

Sorry, couldn't resist. As strange as your procedure may seem, there are a lot of tricks out there, one of which is grasping the tongue firmly and pulling. A bit difficult to phonate but voila, no spasms. I suppose I could even try that while talking to the paper weight.

Gavin

--modified by gavin hadley at Thu, Nov 14, 2002, 07:05:14






Modified by at Thu, Nov 14, 2002, 07:05:14

| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- Linda Spain Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Ida Neary ®

11/14/2002, 07:43:00

Author Profile Mail author

Thanks for the tips, Linda. Listening to people at the air port or in restraunts on their cell phones you know people talk differently on the phone.

I have a little trick. When I am approching the phone I start the sound before I pick it up. I say "HHHHHHHHHHHHHello?" That generally works better than to pick up the phone and try to croak out "Hello".

I hate it when I waste a good HHHHHHHHHHHello on a tele-marketer who isn't even there.

Ida






| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- Linda Spain Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Linda Spain ®

11/14/2002, 13:01:27

Author Profile Mail author

Gavin,

If you are on the phone and addressing your paperweight, no one will notice. It is when you just are practicing that you will be conspicuous. Ida's comments give me an idea. If you hold your phone near your ear while you are talking to your paperweight, no one will know of the special relationship you are developing with inanimate objects. This actually may be even better practice than just talking to objects because it will be closer to the actual "talking on the phone" experience. The good news is that once you've trained yourself not to try to produce the "phone voice," your paperweight won't feel jilted and potentially start stalking you.

When I had so much more trouble on the phone than in person, I told my speech therapist about it and she taught me this "trick" which transitions to training that does not revert! I've seen the phrase "dreaded phone" in so many articles that I wanted to share it.

This trick, Ida's trick... I bet there are lots more.

Illusionists (aka magicians) "trick" the eye - it is interesting to think about that concept in terms of sound and brain function.

There I go again... always thinking out there on the edge (where I must be careful not to fall off and land on my head).

Linda







| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- Linda Spain Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Pat Odell ®

11/17/2002, 13:49:46

Author Profile Mail author

I just had to say how much these postings have helped me. If nothing else, the sense of humor you all have around this problem makes me feel I know all of you, since I also try to be as positive about the difficuties in life as possible. I have struggled with this "dragon" for two years now at work, and when I go to work tomorrow, I am going to try out some of these "tricks." Pat :-)






| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- Linda Spain Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: William T Walter ®

12/11/2002, 22:17:56

Author Profile Mail author

Question: Fo those who use speaker phone at times, do you find that more or less difficult than using the handset? I use a headset at work now - when my SD was really bad I was so clenched that I'd by clasping the handset for dear life. Wanted to get out ofthat habit.

I think my worst experience on the phone is when somone is standing behind me at work waiting/listening or when I'm in car with others and try to use a cell phone. It's the self-consciousness when I'm talking that gets me the mot. Which is why whe someone asks about SD and I try to explain I get nervous and make it worse. It's a little devil this SD.

Bill

ADSD







| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- William T Walter Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Eileen Giddings ®

12/20/2002, 17:28:23

Author Profile Mail author

When I talk on the phone, I end up having to spell everything, I get so frustrated when they can't understnd what I'm spelling. It is the WORST.

I just had my second botox injection; now my voice is breathy and people cannot hear me, but it is smoother. Isn't it awful? I am a very big communicator, especially for my family. I'm the one who makes all the plans, makes all the calls, finds everything out; but now I can't. My family members still let me do everything and they stand by listening to me going crazy. I have to let it go and delegate and let well speaking people in my family take over the verbal communication. It is so hard !!






| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- Eileen Giddings Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: William T Walter ®

12/20/2002, 19:22:04

Author Profile Mail author

Eileen,

I hear ya. It was a major blow for me when other people, trying to be nice at work or in social situations, would repeat what I said for another person who didn't understand me. Or going into a loud place and asking my friend to order something for me. Very emasclating and a big blow to the ego. I hate being in loud places now b/c of my quiet voice. And I hate giving control ove to someone else to speak for me. I hada few nightmares when SD was at it's wort of being unable to scream for help or not being eard. Very crazy.

Bill







| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- William T Walter Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Eileen Giddings ®

12/20/2002, 20:25:59

Author Profile Mail author

Our computer used to be in the basement and I had to holler to the kids all the time for a phone call or for dinner or something. After my first Botox, I couldn't get any volume, and I still can't. I had to buy a whistle to get my kids up from the basement. Now the computer is upstairs. But I also worry if I had to scream for help or something. I should wear the whistle, Huh?






| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- Eileen Giddings Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Lynne Martinez ®

12/21/2002, 05:27:58

Author Profile Mail author

Eileen,

Some of this takes time (to train our partners, friends and kids) but I'm finally getting to the point where I've developed a series of gestures and signals that are starting to work. In addition, like you, I wear a whistle around my neck at times and also have one attached to my keychain. For potential emergencies outside my home, the one on the keychain makes me feel relatively secure at this point.

New gestures which are helping recently are making that cranking gesture (a circular motion, like rolling a window down?) if the friends I'm with can see me. I can't talk over running water, the dishwasher, television, walking down the street, in a car with the radio on or innumerable other situations. Things we all deal with.

I've recently discovered that if we stop blowing out our voices over noise (which I did for years after surgery, because I sounded pretty good, but had to stop recently) and get within eyesight and do the cranking motion, the people we care about will mute the TV and stop making us talk over running water. I couldn't believe how well it worked when I got consistent about doing it. It's taken almost a year with friends/family, but they now know that if they want to carry on a conversation with me, they need to turn whatever is on -"OFF"- so that we can communicate.

It's more difficult to do with children but they respond to a consistent signal quicker than adults do. A whistle or a bang on the wall (whatever works that is consistent) should train them to pay attention. Like Morse-code or American Sign Language. Certain things mean certain things and, as we lose our ability to scream, it's always helpful to have some code which means "emergency." SOS in Morse code and acronym. Trying to vocalize over noise is not good for any of us, once we have SD - whether we're untreated or treated.

This may be too much information but your post was intriguing, regarding screaming for help. It's a big concern when we're voiceless.

Thanks,

--Lynne (AD/SD; Northern California)







| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- Eileen Giddings Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: micki ®

12/21/2002, 16:51:02

Author Profile Mail author

I have an assortment of noisemakers: A bell to announce a meal; A replica of a European Taxi Horn (with rubber bulb) to call my husband if he is outside or upstairs. (Sounds like a foghorn).






| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous | Next | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON
Re: Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- micki Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: June Sutton ®

12/21/2002, 21:58:29

Author Profile Mail author

Oh,yes, I can get everyone to the table with my wonderful little replica of the Libery Bell. It's nice and loud and sits on my microwave. They love when it rings after dinner time. That usually means dessert. I have a whistle, too, on my key chain. I also clap when my husband is outside and I need to get his attention.






| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous |   | Current page
Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON - From Mr. Know-it-all
Re: Re: SLAYING THE "DREADED PHONE" DRAGON -- William T Walter Top of Thread Archive
Posted by: Richard Callen ®

12/21/2002, 13:36:50

Author Profile Mail author

This string of messages reminds me of how bad it really was, especially before my operation in 1979. I am in much better shape now. I suggest that people try not to do too many odd things such as wearing whistles and using hand gestures if they can possibly get along without them. These devices eventually take their toll.



Richard Callen



Also known as "Mr. Know-it-all". - Just a joke, folks!







| Recommend | Alert Where am I? Original Message Top of Thread Previous |   | Current page