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Posted by: Sarah Bayle ® 11/01/2002, 20:32:55 Author Profile Mail author |
I know we've all heard this before and I could probably do a search on the BB and answer my own question but I could use the opportunity to vent to an audience who understands! I was walking down the hall with someone(another teacher) I had never before met or spoken to. We had just left a staff meeting in a public elementary school. I asked a fairly quick and simple (chatty) type of question which she answered quickly and then went on to say, "YOU SOUND AWEFUL..." In that, "oh poor you have a cold" voice. I've heard this before and shouldn't have been caught off guard. I just said, "Thank You!" She said, "You need a cup of eucanasia tea." I said, "I'm sure that is not at all what I need." We parted.
You guys know all the details, probably. I am ashamed to say that I can't wait till she is gossiping with someone in the lunch room and realizes that the new woman (me) in the school actually has a speech disorder and she was the one who told me that I sound awful. Like, I feel an enormous sense of satisfaction in realizing that she will feel terrible when she finds out that I always sound awful. I told my children this story and they thought I was a bad girl. It is hard to always be a good role model for our children!! Any good one-liners out there?
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Posted by: samantha ® 11/01/2002, 21:19:43 Author Profile Mail author |
my boss has called me "samantha with the ugly voice". i've heard "poor you, you sound awful" so many times. i've also heard "you sound so emotional; isn't your employer treating you right". i've also heard "are you sure you're okay, don't you think you should be going home". when no voice comes out, i get yelled at "speak up, i can't hear you!" one guy even told me i sound like a frog!!! i am so thankful that this disorder which i've carried like a cross for so many years has a name. i had my first treatment last september and i am now a lot happier, more social, less nervous, less anxious...i'm also happy for discovering this bb because i am learning so much and am coping way way better than before. |
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Posted by: fancynancy ® 11/02/2002, 01:19:11 Author Profile Mail author |
Wow, sorry to hear there's such a callous teacher at your school. But let's face it, I'll bet everyone here has had a few demeaning comments thrown at them. When I first came down with my SD, a friend called on the phone. He's known me before my voice problem. The first thing he said was "What's wrong with your voice?" Since I wasn't sure what I had I just said it was hoarse. "Oh" he replied and we kept talking. Over the years I've heard comments like "Are you okay?" "Do you have asthma?" "Do you have problems with your lungs?" "Is the ventilation system in this room affecting your voice (allergies)?" And "Can you repeat what you said? I think my cell phone's cutting out"! Maybe part of the problem is that few people's voices sound like ours. But when anyone comments about it, I usually tell people I have problems with my voice and it's okay. If they're curious I explain it. The other day I told someone on the phone and he said he knew an elderly lady with the same problem. He actually knew about SD! --fn--
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Posted by: Lynne Martinez ® 11/02/2002, 02:03:35 Author Profile Mail author |
Sarah, As you say...we all understand what you are going through. The best one-liner I heard recently was at the ST conference in Reno two weeks ago when a woman with a bobble-head neck (tremors and spasms and pain) said that she tells kids she has a Mexican jumping bean in her neck. I suppose we could use that for our voices also. Mexican jumping bean in our vocal cords. Among other things, I've been told by insensitives that I need a lozenge. When I told the woman who said that to me, on a full public bus, that I was disabled and only had one vocal cord, the entire busload of folks stared her down pretty bad. They were on my side. My best "one-liner" (so to speak) is always the 3-fold cards. Flipping one of those out, with confidence at the appropriate time, always makes a point. It's great to be prepared with something quick and witty that you can lay on some insensitive person (3 or 4 funny sayings are fine) but I always think the best retort is to say..."I have a neurological vocal disorder, like Parkinson's...but don't worry...it's not catching and it won't kill me either" (or some derivative of such). If we all don't say something like that eventually, nobody will ever learn about our disorder. The most important thing to keep in mind is that people make those comments about you or other disabled people because they are not secure in themselves and they know darn well, that if faced with it themselves, they probably couldn't handle it. They are terrified. Unfortunately, once we have this, our job (like it or not) is to educate the rest of the population. We've been annointed. Keep us posted. --Lynne (AD/SD; Northern California) |
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Posted by: Sarah Bayle ® 11/02/2002, 10:13:53 Author Profile Mail author |
I guess the ironic thing about catchy phrases is, I can't really utilize them as I can't talk fast enough and people already have lost the intent of the communication. I am curious about the "three fold" thing you mention and how do we get ahold of such a thing? Sarah AB/AD Seattle |
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Posted by: Lynne Martinez ® 11/02/2002, 13:03:38 Author Profile Mail author |
Boy, are you right about that (your first paragraph)! That's the great thing about the three-folds. But, I only give them to people who truly seem to be interested (people I could explain SD to if I had enough air - it REALLY saves on the air). The three-folds are always available at symposiums so you can get some in DC, if you still think you might go. Or, you can contact the NSDA and order some. I wouldn't recommend doing that this week as the entire staff will be in Miami soon and they're getting ready for that. Or, you can send me your snail address off the BB and I'll send you 25 today. I order a box of 500 twice a year and spread them as thin as I can. I gave out 15 of them to various people at the Dystonia Daze Symposium in Reno two weeks ago. The best thing about the cards (since I don't imagine everyone reads the whole thing) is that it gives you instant credibility. Satisfies the curiousity of recipients who are truly concerned about you, and makes the ones who just don't *get it* think twice about making fun of someone with a bad voice. They wouldn't do that to someone in a wheelchair. Reminds me of something I saw on TV yesterday. It was commercial for Ronald McDonald House and briefly features a boy about 11 who had his leg amputated due to bone cancer. He used that old adage when people stare at him..."take a picture - it lasts longer." And, then he said (paraphrasing, because I didn't write it down)..."So, sometimes my leg is on backwards and my foot is pointed the other way....who cares, I'm still *me.*" It was great. I'm sure his parents are proud of him. Catch you on private e-mail, Sarah. The cards are already in an envelope and will head North when I apply your address. --Lynne (AD/SD; Northern California) |
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Posted by: Ida Neary ® 11/02/2002, 10:13:50 Author Profile Mail author |
Hi Sarah Over the last 25 years I think I have heard them all and then someone comes up with something new. During the 10 years before I was diagnosed I felt shame and embarrasment when people would remark on the sound of my voice. It is easier, now that I have a name and some info. Sometimes when people say "You sure have a bad cold or laryngitis" I say "If only" and just leave it there for them to wonder just what it is I do have. If someone seems interested I give them the whole story. In fact by telling someone recently what it was, he said he thought his wife had the same thing and wanted more information. Once in a while I get snotty. I say "I have a speaking disorder, so listen up. Pay attention". Once a woman screwed up her face and said "What is wrong with your voice?" I said "What is wrong with your face?" There was one man who kept telling me the state of my voice. He would say "Your voice sounds worse today" or "how do you do theater with THAT voice?" Finally I told him that I had not asked for a report on my voice and if he would pop for the price of a theater ticket he would find out how I do theater with this voice. Sometimes I say "Can't you just hear what I am saying instead of how I am saying it?" I find a sense of humor helps. I say things like "how come you are so bald?" Maybe you wouldn't want to be a rude as I am, but these are the things I keep ready just in case. Good luck to you and all of us. Ida AD/SD 25 years Iowa |
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Posted by: Concerned lady ® 11/02/2002, 12:08:31 Author Profile Mail author |
I don't have SD, but I had VCD (you may be saying, "What's VCD"?) which is another whole story--see my website link below. But, here's my take on the problem of people's ignorant remarks: 1) If the person is a jerk, do whatever you need to do, to not let them get you down. 2) If the person is ignorant, but means well (sometimes, give 'em the benefit of the doubt), and might be a potential ally, then I like the idea some of you expressed, of explaining SD to them, and then asking them to try to ignore it and treat you like they treat everyone else. :-) The reason I like #2, is that it allows you to vent your feelings, and it educates people who may help others that have SD. And, when it's convenient & appropriate, I like an honest exchange of info between people. 3) But, since it obviously is tedious to have to explain your situation, over & over again, just do what feels right at the time! :-) Sincerely, Carol
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Posted by: Larry Becnel ® 11/02/2002, 19:03:11 Author Profile Mail author |
Your post reminds me of something I did about 10 years ago (before I knew about my own voice disorder) that "haunts" me still. I was introduced to someone (let's call him Joe) who spoke in a weak, "breathy" voice. Without thinking, I said something to the effect of "Seems like you've lost your voice." He answered, with a smile, "Something like that." I later learned that he had a congenital vocal chord impairment (not SD). Now, when people who I perceive to be of good will comment on my SD, I try to follow Joe's example. Also, I often break the ice by starting a conversation with "I have a vocal chord disorder. If you don't understand me clearly, please ask me to reapeat. I won't be offended." It almost always works. Indeed, many people say something like "no problem, you sound fine" (even when I don't). I think most people are caring enough to want to try to make me feel comfortable. Of course, now and then I encounter THE JERK...and I usually respond to him or her with a stare or just a hunch of the shoulders that says (I hope) "sorry that you don't seem to have the capacity to understand." Larry, ADSD, New Orleans |
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Posted by: Concerned lady ® 11/02/2002, 21:52:58 Author Profile Mail author |
Larry, Did you ever look up that guy "Joe", to tell him that you now understand? If he's still around, you could remove the haunted memory! :-) |
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Posted by: Larry Becnel ® 11/03/2002, 14:24:42 Author Profile Mail author |
No, I haven't, but one day I will--he's still in the city as far as I know. The "haunting" isn't necessarily a bad thing--the memory does help me (I hope)to react in a positive manner when someone says something like I said to him. It's taking me some time to learn how to deal with SD. Larry |
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Posted by: Sarah Bayle ® 11/02/2002, 23:00:35 Author Profile Mail author |
Larry, not to split hairs: but I see a difference in what I call value-nuetral, ("you seem to have lost your voice"), value-negative ("you sound aweful!"), and value-positive (your voice is beautiful) statements. Value-nuetral statements are an opening to share information with someone who might be curious.
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Posted by: Larry Becnel ® 11/03/2002, 14:14:10 Author Profile Mail author |
I appreciate your comments, and I don't think you're splitting hairs. I think you're on point. But how the "other" person delivers the statement is a big factor--it's not just the content. Another factor, of course, is my mood at the moment (tired, testy, whatever). What I'm trying to work on is preparing myself for others' comments. I certainly don't want to be grumpy with people who mean well, and I don't want to get into a victim role even with people who are insensitive. I'm working on it. Larry |
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Posted by: Susan F. ® 11/03/2002, 20:13:45 Author Profile Mail author |
Thought I'd share something that happened to me a few years ago. While collecting on an old account for the company I worked for, the lady felt so "sorry" for me because I sounded so sick, that she sent her past due payment to me the next day (she said she didn't want me to use my voice any more). Guess I'd have to say SD paid off that time HA! |
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Posted by: Sherry A. Kjellberg ® 11/04/2002, 13:55:53 Author Profile Mail author |
Interesting comments and, yep, I've heard it all too! I have probably scared most of the inconsiderate people in a good way, including my own small boned neurologist, with my pat response. My first reply to, "are you sick, etc.", is always: "No, I got airbagged six years ago and didn't even HAVE a voice for three months". Then am happy to talk about my rare neurological S.D. problem and the six years it took to get the diagnosis, etc. (For all of you who do not think about it, be very careful sitting too close to an airbag. The one time I slid closer than normal to the steering wheel for a tall person in the back seat, happened to be the day of a head-on, low impact car crash. When the airbag of my son's '95 Ford Tempo imploded, I later learned through research that the force was equivalent to 2,000 pounds of pressure and exploded at the same rate as a shotgun, filling the car with gunpowder/fire smell. I also learned the government had simply standardized airbags on average sized men of about 180 pounds in the '60s. I am told that airbags are somewhat less brutal now than six years ago (?) Many small women and children have been killed, lost eye sight, suffered burns, had internal/external injuries, necks broken, etc. I clearly remember thinking that my head was going to fly off my neck and I was going to be a quad, in the split second that it happened. For all S.D. patients, please please please be very mindful of sitting close to airbags or even having anything on your lap,wearing glasses if you don't have to. I didn't mean to get off subject, but my catchee phrase of "I got airbagged"...has never failed to stop even the most inconsiderate person from wanting to know more! -Sherry/Denver/Mixed S.D. & RNL |
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Posted by: Lynne Martinez ® 11/04/2002, 16:30:34 Author Profile Mail author |
Hi Sherry, Awesome and important information on airbags (quality-control-stuff). Thank you so much. You have educated me. These are the things the *experts* (automobile people, or in *any* industry) don't ever tell us. I responded to this thread already but was moved to do it again, with this info from you. Like you, I have used a classic one-liner over the years people have commented on my voice, which gets people's attention: "I only have one vocal cord." That factual statement seems to bring out the ignorance in the human population because many people (believe it or not) don't know how many of each organ they have. I've had some fun with that one. Too much info to mention here, but I've actually convinced a couple of folks in the past that they may have four or more (because they are *so cool*). Seriously!!! ;-) Been fun to play with that. I'm glad Sarah started this thread, because all of us SD'ers need to have a *Bag of Vocal Tricks* so that we can respond quickly (never easy or casual for us) to such situations, and say something which protects us and expresses us, but might actually educate someone who needs to know about SD or at least understand they shouldn't be so darn rude. Thanks Sherry! Excellent info. Off to Miami now and hope that BB participants will write us there and reach out to any new patient, on the Dystonia or SD Bulletin Boards, who might happen along and write their first post from there. New posters always need support. --Lynne (AD/SD; Northern California) |
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Posted by: carolyn hutchison ® 11/05/2002, 14:17:25 Author Profile Mail author |
I don't know any good one-liners... I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt whether they're ignorant, rude, or interested and just trying to figure out what they're hearing -- or not hearing. Because I value public contact (even when it is painful), I try very hard not to isolate myself. I'm also an introvert and enjoy my own company so withdrawing would be an easy thing to do. At work as a Chief of Police, I find that I have many opportunities to educate people either in-person or by phone. When I am asked directly, I always tell people that I have a vocal cord disorder. Before speaking to groups or in advance of what I expect to be a lengthy conversation with someone who doesn't know me, I always disclose that I have a vocal cord disorder. Without exception, I have found people to be interested in the disorder and grateful for the information. In doing this, I have given our disorder a voice, and I feel empowered by that simple act. I now have a much better "relationship" with my voice. I don't like it but I no longer hate it. In fact, I'm grateful that I've got one. Carolyn
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